(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[NZ]SZ[19]KM[8.00]TM[5400]OT[5x60 byo-yomi]
GN[North American Ing Masters - 2010 US Go Congress - Yang, Huiren 1p vs Yang, Yilun 7p]PW[Yang, Huiren]PB[Yang, Yilun]WR[1p]BR[7p]DT[2010-08-04]EV[2010 North American Ing Masters Tournament]RO[3]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]US[Solomon Smilack]C[USGO2 [-\]: Welcome to the 2010 U.S. Go Congress live broadcast of the North American Ing Masters Tournament in Colorado Springs, Colorado, brought to you by the American Go E-Journal, KGS and the American Go Association. Check out our website – www.usgo.org - for the latest Congress reports, photos and game records, as well as go news from around the world.
USGO2 [-\]: This is round 3, board 2.  I'm Solomon Smilack and I will be your game recorder today.
edlee [1k\]: hi Solomon
edlee [1k\]: USGO2, Solomon -- private message with me, please.
Maki1 [6k?\]: ooohhh ahhhhh, battle of the pros
madkyu [5k\]: who is winning?
Q161 [?\]: white looks about 7.5 pts ahead so far
Q161 [?\]: tough to say though
]RE[W+3.00]
;B[pd]C[madkyu [5k\]: :)
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;W[dp]C[faintvoice [1k\]: hahahah 
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;B[fq]C[sevrusblck [-\]: could a high dan comment on this game?
faintvoice [1k\]: every game some loser says that
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;W[hq]C[FangFa [2d\]: there is no hg dan in the room
Q161 [?\]: and every game some weakling laughs at it
Q161 [?\]: ^_~
faintvoice [1k\]:  weaklingzzzz
diemorph [1d\]: yang doesn't follow his own opening rules?
faintvoice [1k\]: cant prove that
madkyu [5k\]: it's yang vs yang
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;B[fo]
;W[cn]
;B[ip]
;W[iq]
;B[jp]
;W[jq]
;B[kp]
;W[hp]C[USGO2 [-\]: Could black be considering L3? What do you all think?
]
;B[kq]C[kpasko [18k?\]: 来た
sevrusblck [-\]: how strong r u us?
]
;W[hn]
;B[dr]
;W[cq]
;B[fm]C[USGO2 [-\]: I bench about 150.
miao [6d\]: w no chance
miao [6d\]: :P
sevrusblck [-\]: seriously though
sevrusblck [-\]: lol, everybody here's a joker
ukeewu [6k\]: usgo with humor...i love it
USGO2 [-\]: I can't seem to crack 2d here on kgs. I need to study fuseki.
sevrusblck [-\]: ah cool
sevrusblck [-\]: well, keep up the comments, i need to start thinking like a dan
USGO2 [-\]: While the Ing Foundation is not supporting the tournament this year, the AGA Board decided to honor the past commitments of the Ing Foundation by continuing to call the tournament by the Ing name and by using Ing scoring.
USGO2 [-\]: I really would like to but I'll leave that to you, the viewers. I'm an impartial observer.
sevrusblck [-\]: then keep asking those thought provoking questions
sevrusblck [-\]: maybe other dans will talk
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;W[pq]C[sevrusblck [-\]: what is ing scoring?
miao [6d\]: lol w
wossname [-\]: w owns
miao [6d\]: too greedy
miao [6d\]: :P
]
;B[hl]C[wossname [-\]: sususu what
miao [6d\]: sususu means loseloselose
miao [6d\]: :P
wossname [-\]: he's brave
evanj [2d\]: does it really?
Academic [5k\]: this rengo?
miao [6d\]: i heard so
sevrusblck [-\]: um...what is ing scoring?
USGO2 [-\]: It is similar to Chinese scoring.
buzzsaw [7k?\]: it involves filling in areas with stones
dsaun [1k\]: Ing scoring is area counting and komi = 8.0
ukeewu [6k\]: after the game...each side counts their ings of course
buzzsaw [7k?\]: and you must have the exact number of stones
buzzsaw [7k?\]: thus the strange bowls
miao [6d\]: w already losing
USGO2 [-\]: Yes the bowls are checked before the game to insure that they are not missing stones or do not have extra stones.
wossname [-\]: what are you talking abuot, w has more points!!
ukeewu [6k\]: c8 lookingattractive for b soon
miao [6d\]: h3 groups weakness too big
miao [6d\]: who cares about w points
wossname [-\]: points = win
wossname [-\]: this should be a ten sconds game
wossname [-\]: then white will win
miao [6d\]: then lets bet :P
USGO2 [-\]: For bios on the players check http://senseis.xmp.net/?YangYilun and http://senseis.xmp.net/?YangHuiren
miao [6d\]: scared?
wossname [-\]: will you give me odds?
sevrusblck [-\]: lol
sevrusblck [-\]: still here?
sevrusblck [-\]: y didn't white look at this b4??
Hestler [3k\]: b4 is not a good move bro
wossname [-\]: i'll put 10 euro on white if you'll give me 2:1
miao [6d\]: hm why 2:1?
miao [6d\]: you said w already won
wossname [-\]: come on, it's sususu
miao [6d\]: :P
miao [6d\]: points=win?
wossname [-\]: sususu = king
wossname [-\]: but he's up to his usual tricks, only in a super slow game
wossname [-\]: against Strong Guy yilun
miao [6d\]: yil will kill him
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;W[gn]
;B[fn]
;W[jn]C[miao [6d\]: p4?
]
;B[op]C[USGO2 [-\]: Bingo
wossname [-\]: nice call
sevrusblck [-\]: hmm
sevrusblck [-\]: w not lookin too good
wossname [-\]: p4 is the kind of theoretical move i'm not tough enough to play half the time
miao [6d\]: :P
miao [6d\]: <------------- pro
baian [1d\]: like touching a strong stone here
miao [6d\]: is b laughing?
USGO2 [-\]: No, but Yilun has his hands together on his chest, fingers interlaced as he sits back contentedly.
miao [6d\]: that b playes p4 proves that q3 was overplay
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;W[pp]C[sevrusblck [-\]: what are they sittin on?
miao [6d\]: :P
]
;B[oo]C[miao [6d\]: w japanese?
kpasko [18k?\]: no
USGO2 [-\]: We've got really uncomfortable chairs for playing go. I mean, they're comfortable enough but it's hard to sit up straight.
]
;W[qn]
;B[oq]C[USGO2 [-\]: One's back gets tired quickly, I think.
sevrusblck [-\]: is there a link to a pic, plz?
USGO2 [-\]: Of the chair? -.-
wossname [-\]: L7?
Hitatsu: I love how slow these games are. Just shows how intense it is.
USGO2 [-\]: If you check the USGO website for pics of the last couple days there will probably be a pic or two from the strong player's room.
wossname [-\]: or show no fear and fix with q7
USGO2 [-\]: James Sedgwick just finished his opponent off. That was fast ^_^;;
Luminaire [4k\]: Yilum seems stronger this year, versus last year
sevrusblck [-\]: some 1 resigned?
Luminaire [4k\]: Sedgwick played who?
Scriby [1k\]: yilun only lost 1 game last year in finals
USGO2 [-\]: You'll have to check the crosstabs...
USGO2 [-\]: http://www.usgo.org/tournaments/crosstab/
USGO2 [-\]: poor Nick x.X
miao [6d\]: nick?
Hitatsu: Who's Nick?
sevrusblck [-\]: he he
USGO2 [-\]: Nick Sibicky.
sevrusblck [-\]: w play c16
Baldanders [7k\]: the person sedgewick just beat
Jonsuji [5k?\]: Yilun Yang is nasty, he write the book "Rescue and Capture"
USGO2 [-\]: He had a great game earlier in the US Open. It was down to the wire.
Jonsuji [5k?\]: he will win
USGO2 [-\]: What can white do here? J8? Help us miao~
Remember [1d\]: don't worry, i can help
Remember [1d\]: lol
miao [6d\]: oh sure
Remember [1d\]: s2 nice tesuji
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;W[il]C[miao [6d\]: hm this seems ok
Remember [1d\]: way to call it USGO
miao [6d\]: but b still very comfortable
]
;B[ik]C[wossname [-\]: will b use r5 right away, i wonder
miao [6d\]: i wonder when b playes b8
Dagobert [4d\]: b8?
miao [6d\]: w sealed in and b huge influens
miao [6d\]: influence
Remember [1d\]: you mean c8
miao [6d\]: w got nothing
miao [6d\]: yes c8
miao [6d\]: ^^
]
;W[jl]C[miao [6d\]: well not nothing
sevrusblck [-\]: black will play it once he's done attacking
]
;B[hm]C[miao [6d\]: but nothing enaugh
wossname [-\]: w have 10 points 
miao [6d\]: hoho
wossname [-\]: radical!!
sevrusblck [-\]: j6 only move
miao [6d\]: b asks
miao [6d\]: j7 better maybe
miao [6d\]: not sure
miao [6d\]: maybe not
sevrusblck [-\]: j7 j5 
miao [6d\]: sure
miao [6d\]: i know
miao [6d\]: then connect
sevrusblck [-\]: h5 
miao [6d\]: and both vut
miao [6d\]: cut
miao [6d\]: w has big corner w middle
sevrusblck [-\]: well
DanceNGo [1d\]: wait, u say b got the better result here?
miao [6d\]: b middle
sevrusblck [-\]: b has bottom
sevrusblck [-\]: j7 j5 j5 j6 h5 g5 g4 g7 g8 f8 
miao [6d\]: because w stones are running not alive 
sevrusblck [-\]: like this?
USGO2 [-\]: Do you think b gets enough in the middle that way?
DanceNGo [1d\]: two corners= not good?
Ripples [2k\]: i like b's potential
miao [6d\]: b influence already enaugh to compensate the points 
Ripples [2k\]: but i dont think hes better :O(
miao [6d\]: so  w has a problem
miao [6d\]: maybe not huge
wossname [-\]: 10 points!! big poin tmaster!
sesbes [1k?\]: In this position J7 or j6?
miao [6d\]: but more than slightly
Dagobert [4d\]: 10 points? that´s more than komi!
sesbes [1k?\]: J7 looks risky. So what is white thinking about?
sesbes [1k?\]: Or j7 is safe due to g4 sente?
miao [6d\]: j7 wants to cut
Remember [1d\]: g4 isn't necessarily sente
miao [6d\]: h7 too
sesbes [1k?\]: After black j5 it might be
Remember [1d\]: no as in black could sacrifice f3 stones
sesbes [1k?\]: But then j5 is not a very strong threat
miao [6d\]: so w thinks if he wants to have a running group with base and no points are an eyless one in b inflence but points
miao [6d\]: i don´t know what will happen
miao [6d\]: another idea is g4 now
sesbes [1k?\]: The advantage of j7 is that it applies more pressure to the h7 stones
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;W[ln]C[miao [6d\]: but maybe thats worse
sevrusblck [-\]: wha??
miao [6d\]: hoho
sevrusblck [-\]: nice!
odbira [3k\]: struggle 4 sente
evanj [2d\]: wow, vicious game
FlameBlade [-\]: 4 sentes?
FlameBlade [-\]: if I can get that, I'll be happy
sesbes [1k?\]: M6 has the same g4 idea?
sevrusblck [-\]: i like that move
miao [6d\]: i don´t get this one
sevrusblck [-\]: yeah
]
;B[qo]C[sevrusblck [-\]: needs to use g4 for this
miao [6d\]: no
]
;W[po]
;B[pn]
;W[ro]C[miao [6d\]: he but still
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;B[qm]
;W[qp]C[miao [6d\]: seesfunny
miao [6d\]: seems
miao [6d\]: s6 go for it
ChasLayton [8k\]: well, black is out
sesbes [1k?\]: After a black g5 what can  white play instead of g4?
]
;B[on]
;W[jk]C[sevrusblck [-\]: h5?
skeptical [3d\]: k10
sevrusblck [-\]: no
sevrusblck [-\]: i dont think k10
sesbes [1k?\]: I meant after black j5. Sorry
skeptical [3d\]: what do you think?
sevrusblck [-\]: mm
sevrusblck [-\]: just j10?
sevrusblck [-\]: dunno
]
;B[cl]C[buzzsaw [7k?\]: yes
sevrusblck [-\]: tenuki?
miao [6d\]: ah
sevrusblck [-\]: yeah!
miao [6d\]: =P
Dagobert [4d\]: hmm
sevrusblck [-\]: c2?
sevrusblck [-\]: easiest way out imo
Dagobert [4d\]: after c2 b can easily give up f3 
sevrusblck [-\]: oh true
sevrusblck [-\]: nice plaan by b
skeptical [3d\]: c2 too cooperative
sevrusblck [-\]: well
miao [6d\]: not nessesarily
sevrusblck [-\]: white has three diff parts to worry about
sevrusblck [-\]: need to keep it wimple there
sevrusblck [-\]: *simple
miao [6d\]: g4 if not c2?
skeptical [3d\]: wimple works too, hehe
sevrusblck [-\]: hmm
sevrusblck [-\]: if g4
wossname [-\]: oh, so black used the r5 first
sevrusblck [-\]: then tenuki?
Dagobert [4d\]: tenuki = j10 ?
sevrusblck [-\]: yeah
sevrusblck [-\]: possibly
sevrusblck [-\]: or maybe even d17
miao [6d\]: maybe but that is best w can do
sevrusblck [-\]: j10 doesnt seem THAT big
miao [6d\]: d17 not good
sevrusblck [-\]: y?
miao [6d\]: j10 huge
sevrusblck [-\]: oh ok
miao [6d\]: ^^
sevrusblck [-\]: but y?
wossname [-\]: maybew will just paly c2 anyway!!
wossname [-\]: gotta have my points!!
skeptical [3d\]: because 6d says so
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;W[cr]C[miao [6d\]: i bet on g4
miao [6d\]: lol
wossname [-\]: hell yes!
skeptical [3d\]: huhu
]
;B[jj]C[wossname [-\]: points, its what for breakfast
miao [6d\]: haha
miao [6d\]: b punnishes now
sevrusblck [-\]: hmm
sesbes [1k?\]: G4 might have been better before c2 since if black doesn't reply then white can skip c2
sevrusblck [-\]: this seems hard
miao [6d\]: with j2 at g4 no way b could hane
skeptical [3d\]: k10 is the kind of move that i would love to play but have no idea what happens next
wossname [-\]: step 1 - play k10
wossname [-\]: step 2 - get supa thick
wossname [-\]: step 3 - ???
sevrusblck [-\]: um
Dagobert [4d\]: step 3 - win the game
sevrusblck [-\]: seems thin actually
sevrusblck [-\]: cutable
wossname [-\]: you are so cutable, sevrus!!
sesbes [1k?\]: Now white g4 is too small once white played c2
ChasLayton [8k\]: almost like he's setting a trap with all those cutting points
sevrusblck [-\]: just l10 here?
sevrusblck [-\]: or that just helps b?
odbira [3k\]: e8 :)
sesbes [1k?\]: it helps black
skeptical [3d\]: tenuki
wossname [-\]: i'd play L10
sevrusblck [-\]: g4 here?
skeptical [3d\]: best move when you don't know where to go...
sevrusblck [-\]: tengen
sevrusblck [-\]: is best move
Dagobert [4d\]: when you don´t know what to do - make territory
kayak87 [9k\]: tengen is taken :(
sevrusblck [-\]: then take it back!!
sevrusblck [-\]: :D
sevrusblck [-\]: slam ur stone hard enough to knock his stone off
ukeewu [6k\]: our club calls that a chrisuji
ygz5001 [6k\]: how long have they played? 
sevrusblck [-\]: an hour?
sevrusblck [-\]: maybe less
buzzsaw [7k?\]: less
sevrusblck [-\]: g7 g8 f8 
sevrusblck [-\]: how does that cut look?
saru411 [1k\]: heh, chrisuji fo sho
sevrusblck [-\]: i think w will g7
sevrusblck [-\]: i like that cut
saru411 [1k\]: thought you were playing gld ukee?
saru411 [1k\]: golf*
ygz5001 [6k\]: lol
ukeewu [6k\]: hehe....phase10 tonight
skeptical [3d\]: if this were my game, I would go straight to g7-f8
ukeewu [6k\]: visualize whirled peas
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;W[gm]C[saru411 [1k\]: looks messy
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;B[gl]
;W[fl]C[skeptical [3d\]: hoho
sevrusblck [-\]: wassup?
sevrusblck [-\]: :D
sevrusblck [-\]: that's some kyu power rite there
skeptical [3d\]: they just dropped their ranks to kgs 3d
sevrusblck [-\]: nah
ygz5001 [6k\]: lol
sevrusblck [-\]: to kgs 7k
ygz5001 [6k\]: haha that was fun
sevrusblck [-\]: tough decision here
sevrusblck [-\]: w has nice chances now
]
;B[el]C[sevrusblck [-\]: yeah\\
sevrusblck [-\]: cant lose those
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;W[hk]
;B[ij]
;W[fk]
;B[gk]
;W[gj]
;B[hj]
;W[im]
;B[hk]C[kpasko [18k?\]: is that a 7p dumpling?
sevrusblck [-\]: oh yeah
USGO2 [-\]: When 7p decides to make dumpling he doesn't mess around
sevrusblck [-\]: dango
]
;W[ek]C[kpasko [18k?\]: ha!
sevrusblck [-\]: huge one at that
lastinglap: no. those are THE cutting stones!!
kpasko [18k?\]: 美味しい
]
;B[dn]C[sevrusblck [-\]: ooh
sevrusblck [-\]: didnt see that
sevrusblck [-\]: d7?
sentra [2d\]: b fine, though ugly
evanj [2d\]: that's not nice
sevrusblck [-\]: yeah
sevrusblck [-\]: how does d7 read out?
ethanb [2d?\]: D7 D8
ethanb [2d?\]: white can't cut - snapback
sevrusblck [-\]: oh duh
jga [3k\]: d7 c7 - snapback
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;W[cm]C[sevrusblck [-\]: d7 c7 d8 ?
sevrusblck [-\]: d8
ethanb [2d?\]: then d9
ethanb [2d?\]: er
ethanb [2d?\]: yeah
sevrusblck [-\]: d7 c7 d8 d9 e7 e6 e8 e10 f10 f11 
sevrusblck [-\]: ye
ethanb [2d?\]: that line is better
]
;B[dm]C[sevrusblck [-\]: d9
sevrusblck [-\]: w is nice
ethanb [2d?\]: not E10 - C5
]
;W[dk]
;B[dl]C[wossname [-\]: peep all cuts
ethanb [2d?\]: good proverb. :)
sesbes [1k?\]: It is interesting that the 4th corner is still empty
jga [3k\]: time to take it
sesbes [1k?\]: I am not sure if white can tenuki in this fight
sevrusblck [-\]: what is locally correct move here?
wossname [-\]: that's what is cool about huiren yang, he does what he likes
sevrusblck [-\]: g11 g11 f11 f10 e12 d12 d12 ?
sesbes [1k?\]: g11? maybe
ethanb [2d?\]: I'd play D5 as white
sevrusblck [-\]: g11 k13 ?
sevrusblck [-\]: d5?
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;W[gi]C[sevrusblck [-\]: needs hel[p on outside
sesbes [1k?\]: :-)
]
;B[lj]C[ethanb [2d?\]: oh yeah, that threatens
sevrusblck [-\]: d12?
ethanb [2d?\]: I just got home from a rough day at work, I'll shut up. :)
wossname [-\]: N2,,
ethanb [2d?\]: duh, B5 works if black plays C5
sevrusblck [-\]: n2
sevrusblck [-\]: um
wossname [-\]: N2 is lucky coordinate
sevrusblck [-\]: n2 m2 ?
]
;W[bj]
;B[co]
;W[bo]
;B[bn]
;W[bm]
;B[bp]C[sevrusblck [-\]: hmm
]
;W[an]
;B[cp]C[sevrusblck [-\]: this doesnt work
sevrusblck [-\]: does it?
ethanb [2d?\]: oh, makes an eye on the bottom
ethanb [2d?\]: niiiice
sevrusblck [-\]: ah i see
sevrusblck [-\]: this is where im bad
skeptical [3d\]: painful meat strategy
zq99: game over?
sesbes [1k?\]: Also j5 might become a threat if black ends up protecting the cut
sevrusblck [-\]: endgame and other tactics that utilize this technique
fireball [1k\]: WAIT?
fireball [1k\]: o
pinkrobot [1d\]: d3 give life
zq99: b leaded after h-8!
sevrusblck [-\]: cut!
pinkrobot [1d\]: d5 d3, i mean
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;W[do]C[zq99: sure cut
sevrusblck [-\]: ah yes
sevrusblck [-\]: b strong and healthy
fireball [1k\]: yeah
sevrusblck [-\]: but white forced this with b10
go4fun2010 [4k\]: sacrifice to survive?
sevrusblck [-\]: so it should be fine fr w
pinkrobot [1d\]: but lose sente
sevrusblck [-\]: no sacrifice
wossname [-\]: white is a Radical Dude
go4fun2010 [4k\]: w d3?
sentra [2d\]: how this works for b?
sevrusblck [-\]: fun2010, b not lise points
go4fun2010 [4k\]: b d3?
sevrusblck [-\]: *lose
sevrusblck [-\]: b d3
sentra [2d\]: d3 w e4
sentra [2d\]: not sente
pinkrobot [1d\]: g5 first?
ethanb [2d?\]: sevrusblck: he means the C5 B4 C4 stones were a sacrifice - the answer is yes
zq99: b thinking to make up at f-4 then fight liberties with whole w lower group?
zq99: j-5 still a threat...not sure works
sevrusblck [-\]: but it doesnt lose points
ethanb [2d?\]: or just live with G2; white still needs to defend J5 and black can take empty corner
sevrusblck [-\]: but yeah, stones r sacked
zq99: complicated, interesting game.
hanayeol [4d\]:  blog for practical go http://realbaduk.com
USGO2 [-\]: Who will win a capturing race if black plays j5 instead of making the 2nd eye?
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;B[ho]C[ethanb [2d?\]: my guess is white, but it's just a feeling; haven't read
sevrusblck [-\]: black i think
ethanb [2d?\]: but Mr. Yang has. :)
USGO2 [-\]: Yilun sighs and leaves the room.
seraphin [8k\]: would j5 be better than h5 for b ?
sevrusblck [-\]: no
ethanb [2d?\]: this forces white to take his own liberties at G5 and G4; that's why it's better
sevrusblck [-\]: since yang played h5
USGO2 [-\]: If white g5 here black d3?
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;W[go]C[sevrusblck [-\]: yeah
]
;B[io]C[sevrusblck [-\]: in sente
sevrusblck [-\]: or not..
]
;W[in]C[ethanb [2d?\]: white can't wedge - liberties on the two stones
sevrusblck [-\]: hmm
ethanb [2d?\]: well, he can...
ethanb [2d?\]: but it's complicated
go4fun2010 [4k\]: d3 or g4?
odbira [3k\]: wasn't  yang huiren 1p yesterday?
ethanb [2d?\]: looks like he is today too....
sevrusblck [-\]: d3 fisrt i think
sevrusblck [-\]: well'
sevrusblck [-\]: depends on his read
sevrusblck [-\]: but i think d3
sevrusblck [-\]: cuz of sente
skeptical [3d\]: doesn't look good for w
pinkrobot [1d\]: d3 a must
go4fun2010 [4k\]: Yang Huiren plays way better than 1d
USGO2 [-\]: Good eye.
fireball [1k\]: ...
fireball [1k\]: he is 1p
fireball [1k\]: true Good eye
USGO2 [-\]: The typo will clear when the server refreshes the info.
go4fun2010 [4k\]: ok, 1p
fireball [1k\]: lol
ethanb [2d?\]: oh, the title - I was looking at the player rank. :)
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;B[ck]C[sesbes [1k?\]: d3 first makes life and can win white stones by g4 followup?
]
;W[cj]
;B[gp]
;W[gq]C[wossname [-\]: radical!!
]
;B[dq]C[ethanb [2d?\]: nice!
sevrusblck [-\]: eek
fireball [1k\]: nice
]
;W[ap]C[sevrusblck [-\]: f4 here
sevrusblck [-\]: gah
]
;B[fr]C[wossname [-\]: wrong... 'never say die''
ethanb [2d?\]: wow, this ko?
]
;W[fp]
;B[ep]
;W[bq]
;B[gp]C[ethanb [2d?\]: picnic for b
sevrusblck [-\]: kos get me seasick
wossname [-\]: die wedgen
skeptical [3d\]: this is not too bad for w
]
;W[kj]
;B[ki]
;W[fp]C[go4fun2010 [4k\]: they make living with ko
]
;B[dj]C[wossname [-\]: tr4de
]
;W[di]
;B[gp]C[ChasLayton [8k\]: C9 was to get the ko threat
ethanb [2d?\]: 2 threats
taiji [2d\]: Yilun Yang best ever teacher
]
;W[kk]C[ethanb [2d?\]: no, 3
buzzsaw [7k?\]: you have that right taiji
sentra [2d\]: w not f10 to reduce ko threats?
ChasLayton [8k\]: yes, 2 threats
sesbes [1k?\]: black ko threats are losing points
ChasLayton [8k\]: brilliant
Bi00io [6k\]: IGNORE
ChasLayton [8k\]: can't
Bi00io [6k\]: YES
sentra [2d\]: b has threats, why ignore?
ChasLayton [8k\]: can't ignore
]
;B[ji]
;W[fp]
;B[ei]
;W[ej]
;B[gp]C[ChasLayton [8k\]: wow
]
;W[li]
;B[fp]C[skeptical [3d\]: this ko is a bid deal for b but not so big for w
skeptical [3d\]: was
skeptical [3d\]: big deal
ChasLayton [8k\]: was
]
;W[lh]C[braincrash [1d?\]: k13 
ChasLayton [8k\]: Yilun planning his run now
trantran07 [2k\]: n10
Bi00io [6k\]: N0
buzzsaw [7k?\]: can he afford to do that before running?
Bi00io [6k\]: N10 IS BETTER
Hestler [3k\]: n10 does not seem like a good move
Bi00io [6k\]: YES
ChasLayton [8k\]: M10 is an important stone, if he can save it
sevrusblck [-\]: n10...bad
ChasLayton [8k\]: but can he afford to?
buzzsaw [7k?\]: yeah it is important but not if he loses the dumpling
sevrusblck [-\]: no
Bi00io [6k\]: YES
USGO2 [-\]: How lightly can black play here? Certainly tenuki gets him chased.
USGO2 [-\]: Is k13 too narrow?
sevrusblck [-\]: k13 sente
sevrusblck [-\]: soit's fine
buzzsaw [7k?\]: I would k13
sevrusblck [-\]: *so it's
sevrusblck [-\]: k13
ChasLayton [8k\]: K14 is too far
ethanb [2d?\]: does he get chased or captured? white J12 looks quite bad
wossname [-\]: i wish miao had offered me odds
buzzsaw [7k?\]: a heavy group must run slowly
sevrusblck [-\]: k13 j12 l13 
ygz5001 [6k\]: maybe j 13
ethanb [2d?\]: there are two snapback variations I see from white J12 immediately
sevrusblck [-\]: actually
go4fun2010 [4k\]: k13 is too normal
sevrusblck [-\]: j13 looks a little better imo
zflyhorse [2k\]: either of them  is profession or not ?
sevrusblck [-\]: ethan
ethanb [2d?\]: both are
sevrusblck [-\]: k13 j12 l13 ?
ChasLayton [8k\]: i'm betting on something unorthodox
zflyhorse [2k\]: but at least one  don't believe the other 
ethanb [2d?\]: I meant if black tenuki
zflyhorse [2k\]: each other 
ChasLayton [8k\]: no tenuki
ygz5001 [6k\]: l 12 is ok too. i think. lol
ethanb [2d?\]: USGO2 said he would get chased, but I think he might get killed :)
zflyhorse [2k\]: ignor each other 
sevrusblck [-\]: ah ok
sevrusblck [-\]: b cant ignore
sevrusblck [-\]: if he runs
Merkur [1k?\]: I agree, Ethan
sevrusblck [-\]: then it's sente
sevrusblck [-\]: cuz he threatens n10
sevrusblck [-\]: and the like
sentra [2d\]: w k13 captures b
sevrusblck [-\]: this fight decides the game
]
;B[jg]C[sevrusblck [-\]: so black must run
buzzsaw [7k?\]: I knew it
sevrusblck [-\]: no u didn't..
]
;W[mj]C[fireball [1k\]: yeah
fireball [1k\]: us easy to see
fireball [1k\]: is
zflyhorse [2k\]: then w can ignor b 
zflyhorse [2k\]: or ?
buzzsaw [7k?\]: now the dumpling lives
go4fun2010 [4k\]: it is tough for b now
sevrusblck [-\]: w cant ignore
sentra [2d\]: L14
sevrusblck [-\]: has to n9
ethanb [2d?\]: R13? E16?
]
;B[gf]C[ethanb [2d?\]: N9 is captured in a net
sevrusblck [-\]: wow
zflyhorse [2k\]: but they did ignor each other !!!
buzzsaw [7k?\]: yang is heading for the empty corner :-)
sevrusblck [-\]: i meant n10
]
;W[dc]C[sevrusblck [-\]: lmfa
sevrusblck [-\]: *lmfo
sevrusblck [-\]: nice
]
;B[de]C[sevrusblck [-\]: cut!
sevrusblck [-\]: e14?
skeptical [3d\]: w leads big
sevrusblck [-\]: hmm
wossname [-\]: Points = Win?
]
;W[fd]C[sevrusblck [-\]: then just f16?
sevrusblck [-\]: yep
zflyhorse [2k\]: now w  give up ignor ,  but b   don't want  give up
zflyhorse [2k\]: b said 　Ｉ　ｇｉｖｅ　ｙｏｕ　ａ　ｂｉｇ　　ｔｅａｃｈｉｎｇ　
zflyhorse [2k\]: ｌｅｔ　ｙｏｕ　ｋｏｎｗ　　ｗｈａｔ　ｉｓ　　１Ｐ
sentra [2d\]: h16?
braincrash [1d?\]: looks like b lleads to me
]
;B[cc]
;W[cb]
;B[cd]
;W[eb]C[sevrusblck [-\]: c17 joseki
]
;B[dg]C[sevrusblck [-\]: hmm
zflyhorse [2k\]: ｗ　ｓａｉｄ　　ｌｅｔ　ｇｏ　ａｎｄ　ｓｅｅ
sevrusblck [-\]: depends on top right
sevrusblck [-\]: o16 here?
]
;W[id]C[sevrusblck [-\]: ah
]
;B[fi]C[mach1 [-\]: zflyhorse please behave
zflyhorse [2k\]: ｗｈｏ　ｉｓ　１ｐ　，　ａｎｄ　ｗｈｏ　ｉｓ　　７７７７ＰＰＰ
sevrusblck [-\]: dumpling needs help
yosogo [1d\]:  to  zflyhorse there are korea 1p got  second place in global game 
wossname [-\]: very beautiful poem, zfly
USGO2 [-\]: Forcing white to connect underneath?
sevrusblck [-\]: h12!
sevrusblck [-\]: oh
sevrusblck [-\]: nvm lol
]
;W[fj]C[sevrusblck [-\]: didn't see atari
]
;B[gh]C[go4fun2010 [4k\]: b9
Dagobert [4d\]: h12 - lol of the day ;-)
sevrusblck [-\]: i meant g12
zflyhorse [2k\]: ｌｅｔ　＇ｓ　ｐｒａｙ　ｆｏｒ　ｔｈｅｍ　ａｌｌ　　ｐｒｏｆｅｓｓｉｏｎａｌ
sevrusblck [-\]: and i didnt see atari
sevrusblck [-\]: o17?
billbell [1d\]: dumpling battle
sevrusblck [-\]: n17?
sevrusblck [-\]: gah
sevrusblck [-\]: i am losing focus
USGO2 [-\]: You know how it is when you cook dumplings. They all stick together.
]
;W[cg]C[sevrusblck [-\]: hehe
Dagobert [4d\]: o17 b9 ...
]
;B[hi]
;W[dj]C[sevrusblck [-\]: yeah
]
;B[cf]C[sevrusblck [-\]: def losin focus
sevrusblck [-\]: d12?
]
;W[dh]
;B[eg]C[braincrash [1d?\]: d12 
sevrusblck [-\]: e13
]
;W[bg]C[sevrusblck [-\]: b13
sevrusblck [-\]: b14
braincrash [1d?\]: not
sevrusblck [-\]: dang
]
;B[rn]C[sevrusblck [-\]: s7
fireball [1k\]: yeah
sevrusblck [-\]: ko!
USGO2 [-\]: Huiren says "Oh~"
Dagobert [4d\]: haha
USGO2 [-\]: Like he took a jab he wasn't expecting.
fireball [1k\]: lol
Dagobert [4d\]: yes .. this looks like an oh-move
USGO2 [-\]: Now he's taking in the whole board.
fireball [1k\]: lol
sevrusblck [-\]: b was waiting for that
USGO2 [-\]: Maybe counting ko threats if I had to guess.
USGO2 [-\]: Who has more/better threats?
ygz5001 [6k\]: b look good now
sevrusblck [-\]: w i think
sevrusblck [-\]: well
USGO2 [-\]: Then you think he should s7?
sevrusblck [-\]: dunno, toughto count
sevrusblck [-\]: but yeah
sevrusblck [-\]: s7
sevrusblck [-\]: seems like best chances
madkyu [5k?\]: tenuki
go4fun2010 [4k\]: q11?
sevrusblck [-\]: yeah
sevrusblck [-\]: right side seeming more and more urgent
]
;W[mr]C[Dagobert [4d\]: q11 looks like dame .. this game is about territory!
Dagobert [4d\]: 2nd line = territory
sevrusblck [-\]: ooh
sevrusblck [-\]: nice one
sevrusblck [-\]: with this
Dagobert [4d\]: p2 
sevrusblck [-\]: he opens up later ko possibilities as well
go4fun2010 [4k\]: start with a dam
braincrash [1d?\]: nice idea
ygz5001 [6k\]: cool move
braincrash [1d?\]: m2 
sevrusblck [-\]: yeah
sevrusblck [-\]: that's what i was thinking
sevrusblck [-\]: m2 n4 
sevrusblck [-\]: i was lookin at this
]
;B[or]C[ygz5001 [6k\]: wow
]
;W[mp]C[sevrusblck [-\]: black stubborn?
sevrusblck [-\]: cut?
miao [6d\]: l2
ygz5001 [6k\]: m 3
Dagobert [4d\]: r5 
go4fun2010 [4k\]: b needs to take care l2
sevrusblck [-\]: yes, r5
Dagobert [4d\]: oh .. wait .. w can live with g2 oO
braincrash [1d?\]: m2 is the only mv?
sentra [2d\]: m2 then q2
]
;B[kr]C[skeptical [3d\]: this can't be good for w
Dagobert [4d\]: what did white gain with n2 n4 ?
skeptical [3d\]: exactly what i am wondering
sevrusblck [-\]: not ko threats, lol
USGO2 [-\]: Huiren has 15minutes left, Yilun has 45minutes left
]
;W[lp]
;B[qo]C[Dagobert [4d\]: ouch
sevrusblck [-\]: he wanted to make sure he made the right decision by not doing the ko
sevrusblck [-\]: so he took away his threats
]
;W[jr]C[braincrash [1d?\]: is that even a threat?
sevrusblck [-\]: oh ok
skeptical [3d\]: L1 next
Dagobert [4d\]: it is
sevrusblck [-\]: yeah, i think
sevrusblck [-\]: but
sevrusblck [-\]: w.o n2 n4
sevrusblck [-\]: black can m5 for a ko threat?
sevrusblck [-\]: so
sevrusblck [-\]: if w starts ko
go4fun2010 [4k\]: k1
sevrusblck [-\]: b plays m5
sevrusblck [-\]: then w has less threats
sevrusblck [-\]: and b makes points
sevrusblck [-\]: so w insures his threats
sevrusblck [-\]: and takes away potential points
sevrusblck [-\]: :D
odbira [3k\]: m5 l5?
sevrusblck [-\]: m5 l5 n6 ?
sevrusblck [-\]: i dunno the exact reading
]
;B[ks]
;W[qn]C[sevrusblck [-\]: but i believe it's b/c of the idea i mentioned
fowat [5k\]: how much time does each of them have?
sevrusblck [-\]: the possibility of b removing all of w's threats with one of his own
]
;B[mm]C[USGO2 [-\]: Can white ignore?
Dagobert [4d\]: no
braincrash [1d?\]: why do u even have to think about m9 
sevrusblck [-\]: there are other moves?
skeptical [3d\]: w is thinking about ignoring it
ygz5001 [6k\]: maybe
Dagobert [4d\]: yes,m8 for example ;-)
sevrusblck [-\]: i like m8
skeptical [3d\]: r5
sevrusblck [-\]: but the problem is the ko
Dagobert [4d\]: m7 is an option too
ygz5001 [6k\]: you mean m8?
Dagobert [4d\]: or n8 ;-)
USGO2 [-\]: I think this is a clever ko threat by Yilun - if he loses the ko it fixes the q7 weakness a little.
go4fun2010 [4k\]: n6 is an option too
braincrash [1d?\]: m9 is the real mv
sevrusblck [-\]: see
sevrusblck [-\]: if m9
go4fun2010 [4k\]: It is painfully slow to watch. I am going to bed
sevrusblck [-\]: later, b can l7?
USGO2 [-\]: m7?
sevrusblck [-\]: oh oh
sevrusblck [-\]: guess not
skeptical [3d\]: either m9 or ignore
sevrusblck [-\]: w not cut anymore   :P
USGO2 [-\]: ;D everyone else got a guess 
]
;W[ko]C[sevrusblck [-\]: hehe he
ygz5001 [6k\]: never thought of this
skeptical [3d\]: go is such a torture, for both
USGO2 [-\]: Yilun seems skeptical or unhappy about L5
USGO2 [-\]: or both
sevrusblck [-\]: hey
sevrusblck [-\]: times?
sevrusblck [-\]: plz
USGO2 [-\]: 8min for white, 40min for black
sevrusblck [-\]: dang
sevrusblck [-\]: k thnx
sevrusblck [-\]: 1 min byo?
USGO2 [-\]: yes
ygz5001 [6k\]: this game will go 5 hours maybe
USGO2 [-\]: Yilun takes a handful of stones to play with.
USGO2 [-\]: I hope he only plays one.
Dagobert [4d\]: double-move tesuji!
]
;B[qo]
;W[js]
;B[gr]
;W[qn]C[skeptical [3d\]: L5 looks like the winning move
USGO2 [-\]: Does L5 make white not worried about black saving the m10 stone?
sevrusblck [-\]: it works
Dagobert [4d\]: m9 n9 m8 n8 m7 o7 o6 n6 o8 l7 p7 l8 o7 for example
sevrusblck [-\]: m9 m9 n9 m8 n8 m7 o7 ?
sevrusblck [-\]: yeah
Dagobert [4d\]: oh
]
;B[pi]C[Dagobert [4d\]: m9 n9 m8 n8 m7 o7 n6 and then?
]
;W[rm]
;B[qo]
;W[lr]
;B[hr]
;W[qn]C[jga [3k\]: make eye at N2
Dagobert [4d\]: well, w has 3 eyes atleast, he can even play m9 m8 ..
]
;B[lk]
;W[ml]
;B[qo]
;W[lq]
;B[ir]
;W[qn]C[miao [6d\]: wtf
miao [6d\]: ?
miao [6d\]: what is n8
sevrusblck [-\]: dunno
sevrusblck [-\]: im lost
sevrusblck [-\]: lol
]
;B[ll]
;W[nl]
;B[qo]C[Dagobert [4d\]: oh
Dagobert [4d\]: wow
ChasLayton [8k\]: a series of threats
sevrusblck [-\]: hmm
ChasLayton [8k\]: N7 was for that purpose?
sevrusblck [-\]: was l5 really that good??
sevrusblck [-\]: well
sevrusblck [-\]: this n8 move was prett cool
ygz5001 [6k\]: is b ahead?
skeptical [3d\]: i anticipated n8, just didn't think of o8
ChasLayton [8k\]: yes, b is ahead
sevrusblck [-\]: ddoes it matter?
sevrusblck [-\]: white must win this ko
sevrusblck [-\]: that's about it
ygz5001 [6k\]: lol
]
;W[pr]
;B[qn]C[skeptical [3d\]: w has gained plenty from outside
sevrusblck [-\]: damn
USGO2 [-\]: Huiren sighed, now has his hand over his mouth.
]
;W[rp]C[sevrusblck [-\]: well then
fly [1d\]: s2
sevrusblck [-\]: i think throw in the towel?
]
;B[qf]C[sevrusblck [-\]: n17
wossname [-\]: i'd play someting dumb like p10
]
;W[pc]
;B[oc]
;W[qd]C[ygz5001 [6k\]: ko again?
fly [1d\]: w ahead on points?
sevrusblck [-\]: hmm
sevrusblck [-\]: depends on how much of the top is white's
USGO2 [-\]: White is fast approaching 4 corner possession
sevrusblck [-\]: but this is a ko, right?
ethanb [2d?\]: depends what they play next :)
sevrusblck [-\]: q18?
]
;B[qc]
;W[pb]C[fireball [1k\]: o
]
;B[qb]C[fireball [1k\]: quite interesting
sevrusblck [-\]: hehe 
fireball [1k\]: a long fight
]
;W[od]C[sevrusblck [-\]: black wants corner
]
;B[pe]
;W[ob]C[fireball [1k\]: yeah
]
;B[nc]C[ygz5001 [6k\]: w lose 
]
;W[nb]
;B[rd]C[sevrusblck [-\]: dang
]
;W[mc]C[sevrusblck [-\]: white win?>
]
;B[nd]
;W[md]
;B[ne]C[sesbes [1k?\]: This was very good sabaki for white
sevrusblck [-\]: i think white winning
skeptical [3d\]: j14?
]
;W[hh]C[skeptical [3d\]: ok, more direct
sevrusblck [-\]: g13
sevrusblck [-\]: then j14
ChasLayton [8k\]: yes
Shusmacku [1k\]: bit of a carpenter square
sevrusblck [-\]: ??
sevrusblck [-\]: not really?
]
;B[hg]C[sevrusblck [-\]: :O
sevrusblck [-\]: f12 g13 f13 ?
]
;W[jd]C[USGO2 [-\]: White is now in byo-yomi
sevrusblck [-\]: :(
sevrusblck [-\]: ah
sevrusblck [-\]: and he is winning i believe
sevrusblck [-\]: so he not taking chances
ericosman [1k\]: i remember years ago huiren yang was living in boston and gave a simultaneous at the davis sq club.  is he still living in boston ?
USGO2 [-\]: I think so yes.
]
;B[ok]C[sevrusblck [-\]: hmm
USGO2 [-\]: I went to the go club in davis a lot last year too.
sevrusblck [-\]: o10?
sevrusblck [-\]: o7?
USGO2 [-\]: Huiren is wearing a Boston MA tee-shirt btw
]
;W[nm]C[ericosman [1k\]: i used to live there but now we live in amherst and play in western mass go club at rao's coffee house on thurs eve's
USGO2 [-\]: I think Yilun's black t-shirt is an ad for one of his go books.
sevrusblck [-\]: toobad we cant see it...:(
]
;B[nj]
;W[mk]
;B[nh]
;W[sn]
;B[rl]C[tdtd: hi
USGO2 [-\]: What's biggest?
tdtd: ohhh ohhh
]
;W[fh]C[tdtd: whats love got to do with it
]
;B[ih]C[sentra [2d\]: t7 sente?
]
;W[eh]C[sentra [2d\]: for w?
tdtd: no way
fly [1d\]: w ahead by komi?
ericosman [1k\]: is b17 large for white and b18 large for black ?
]
;B[fe]C[tdtd: bliack is gonna get nexowned
fly [1d\]: high dans, help us out!
sevrusblck [-\]: w wins
tdtd: go 19a
]
;W[ed]C[sevrusblck [-\]: end of story
]
;B[gd]C[tdtd: black got owned
]
;W[gc]C[tdtd: happy man
tdtd: w
tdtd: s
tdtd: s
USGO2 [-\]: r19 looks enormous to me for white, q19 for black...
tdtd: woot
]
;B[me]C[tdtd: lolz
tdtd: failed move
tdtd: just kiding
johnny [4k\]: W b17
tdtd: white pwned black
tdtd: hey stop giving answers away
ericosman [1k\]: r19/q19 doesn't look as big as b18/b17 does it ?
USGO2 [-\]: Hey I was wrong that time.
]
;W[mg]C[sevrusblck [-\]: tdtdm stop flooding
]
;B[ld]
;W[lc]C[ericosman [1k\]: did you know the word "pwned" was born as a typo of "owned" ?
]
;B[kd]
;W[kc]C[sevrusblck [-\]: ye
Eizero [3k\]: yes
madkyu [5k?\]: orly
]
;B[ng]
;W[le]C[mixed [-\]: no videos?
]
;B[ke]
;W[lf]
;B[mf]C[ericosman [1k\]: score-estimate tool inaccurate because although it shows white territory in lower right it shows the white stones there as dead.  not sure why.  even if it thought they were dead, why would it show the territory as white's ?
]
;W[kf]C[mixed [-\]: bug
]
;B[je]C[sevrusblck [-\]: its how weak groups r calculated
]
;W[jf]C[sevrusblck [-\]: if it's not comp dead
]
;B[ie]C[madkyu [5k?\]: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qt1FvPxmmfE
fly [1d\]: danger!
]
;W[if]C[sevrusblck [-\]: it will sorta count half and hakf
DanielFox [1k?\]: the score estimator is provided for your amusment, not your edification
]
;B[he]
;W[hd]C[mixed [-\]: wasnt a nickname called guro55 or something that shows some pro games? ...
]
;B[hf]C[Micael [2k\]: oh its an estimator... i always had it as a score eliminator (as it it eliminates your ability to count correct)
]
;W[mi]C[fly [1d\]: is the lower right alive?
]
;B[pa]C[ericosman [1k\]: the estimator works well if you click "options - > offline board" and add a few extra stones until the anomolies stop showing up
sevrusblck [-\]: ye
sevrusblck [-\]: seki i guess?
sevrusblck [-\]: lol
fly [1d\]: if it is seki, is b ahead?
]
;W[os]C[sevrusblck [-\]: um
]
;B[ns]
;W[ps]C[sevrusblck [-\]: ye
mixed [-\]: b won
mixed [-\]: :D
]
;B[nr]C[sevrusblck [-\]: think so
]
;W[rr]C[ericosman [1k\]: if it were seki, black certainly would have played there before letting white have p1
fly [1d\]: heh
ChasLayton [8k\]: not seki now
grumpyjoe [-\]: where is seki
trantran07 [2k\]: b18
mixed [-\]: n5
]
;B[bf]C[jga [3k\]: f13
]
;W[ni]
;B[oi]C[USGO2 [-\]: Huiren is reading the top left.
]
;W[bc]
;B[bd]
;W[bb]
;B[ag]
;W[bh]C[ericosman [1k\]: i'm a bit surprised black played b14 instead of b18
]
;B[sm]C[sevrusblck [-\]: yeah
ChasLayton [8k\]: me too
]
;W[ee]
;B[fg]C[Aphelion02 [5k\]: endgame is hard..
]
;W[ge]C[sevrusblck [-\]: b18 is gote with no continuation
sevrusblck [-\]: b14 has a continustion
]
;B[nn]C[sevrusblck [-\]: i think b14 is a point bigger
Aphelion02 [5k\]: is that continuation big enough
skeptical [3d\]: b can't afford komi
ericosman [1k\]: i see it now, yes, if black b18, white b19 and black has to protect, but b14 needs no protection
]
;W[ff]
;B[mn]
;W[lm]
;B[ef]C[Micael [2k\]: looks liek early jose
sevrusblck [-\]: yep
]
;W[om]C[Micael [2k\]: mt
sevrusblck [-\]: and, black has a13 sente move
]
;B[pl]C[sevrusblck [-\]: which majes it bigger
]
;W[so]C[SnC [2k\]: who is leading
mixed [-\]: b tasty
]
;B[fe]C[audubon [4d?\]: w won?
sevrusblck [-\]: b stole it i think
ericosman [1k\]: score-estimate has settled down to indicating w is ahead by 12
]
;W[nk]
;B[oj]
;W[ff]
;B[oa]
;W[na]C[SnC [2k\]: how do you know that
]
;B[qa]
;W[mb]C[ericosman [1k\]: click options "score estimate"
]
;B[fe]C[dsaun [1k\]: pls remember, score estimator doesn't work even as well as normal, with non-Japanese  rules
]
;W[bk]C[SnC [2k\]: I don't have that option
]
;B[gd]C[mixed [-\]: you using browzer
plasma [3d\]: download client
]
;W[sl]
;B[sk]
;W[ge]
;B[mo]
;W[lo]
;B[gd]C[ericosman [1k\]: oh i just noticed this is new zealand rules.  what are basic differences ?
SnC [2k\]: ok thx
]
;W[ah]C[dsaun [1k\]: the real game is modified ing rules
mixed [-\]: must kill all
dsaun [1k\]: NZ and Ing both use area counting
dsaun [1k\]: so the dead stones don't matter, but dame do
]
;B[dd]
;W[ge]C[ericosman [1k\]: but isn't that almost the same as japanese, maybe just 1 point different, except for sekis of which there are none in this game ?
Aphelion02 [5k\]: does ing allow suicide?
dsaun [1k\]: eric yes, but SE doesn't work
skeptical [3d\]: hard for b to catch up at this stage
Agzam [1k\]: Komi is really 8?
dsaun [1k\]: Aphelion yeah, but you'll have to ask the AGA guys what is allowed in the tournament
]
;B[jc]C[ethanb [2d?\]: my count has black ahead by 3, but considering some of the stupid stuff I said earlier, I'm obviously very tired... so take my count with a grain of salt, or just go ahead and assume the opposite :)
]
;W[jb]
;B[gd]
;W[jo]
;B[is]C[dsaun [1k\]: komi is 8.0, but b wins ties, so it's like 7.5
sevrusblck [-\]: w up by 3
]
;W[ge]C[Aphelion02 [5k\]: i wish ppl won't make an integer komi just to be different
Snowcat [5k\]: what is jenny 2p's id?
mixed [-\]: a14;;
Aphelion02 [5k\]: especiallly when it works the same way anyways
Kanin [-\]: .5 komis are just ugly
Aphelion02 [5k\]: "winning ties" is uglier
Aphelion02 [5k\]: if its a tie, how do u win
SoulShadow [9k\]: and makes no sense
Kanin [-\]: well... komi in itself is quite ugly
fly [1d\]: b thinking of resigning?
]
;B[ac]
;W[ff]C[sevrusblck [-\]: nah
johnny [4k\]: B L13?
trantran07 [2k\]: l13
HenryA [2d?\]: never seen the SE estimate jigo. i like it
]
;B[kg]
;W[lg]
;B[fe]C[fireball [1k\]: hmm
fireball [1k\]: mr.yang still have a chance
ericosman [1k\]: i don't understand why score-estimate jumped when black captured at bottom, even though score-estimate acknowledged before the capture that the white stones were dead
skeptical [3d\]: g16 
]
;W[ab]
;B[gd]C[Aphelion02 [5k\]: mr yang is winning
pablodv87 [?\]: i'm 100% sure yanh will win :P
fireball [1k\]: no
fireball [1k\]: not quite
]
;W[nf]C[Aphelion02 [5k\]: i guarantee you mr yang wings
]
;B[of]C[pablodv87 [?\]: yang*
fireball [1k\]: the est is not quite right
]
;W[ge]C[Aphelion02 [5k\]: *wins
]
;B[bl]C[fireball [1k\]: but i wish yang to win too
]
;W[ff]C[fly [1d\]: whoa!
]
;B[al]
;W[fe]C[Aphelion02 [5k\]: i don't get this
SnC [2k\]: which yang
alexanderp [?\]: which yang
Jonsuji [5k?\]: Yilun
USGO2 [-\]: Yilun wanted to force white to spend a move fixing the top.
ericosman [1k\]: aph, the issue is that when black is at g16, he is threatening h17 atari on 3 stones followed by f17 double atari
]
;B[cs]
;W[bs]
;B[ds]C[Jonsuji [5k?\]: a14
Jonsuji [5k?\]: a16
]
;W[ae]C[Jonsuji [5k?\]: kill kill
shuterlee [1k?\]: a15
]
;B[af]C[Aphelion02 [5k\]: yea i see that eric
]
;W[ad]
;B[be]C[SnC [2k\]: exchange
]
;W[ac]C[Aphelion02 [5k\]: k17 was very clever threat
]
;B[ak]
;W[aj]C[SnC [2k\]: who is better now
Jonsuji [5k?\]: what is komi here usgo?
]
;B[eo]
;W[np]C[Pheryn: slightly....
skeptical [3d\]: 7.5
ericosman [1k\]: score-estimate says yang just took the lead
]
;B[kh]C[SnC [2k\]: which yang
]
;W[nq]C[Jonsuji [5k?\]: yilun wins if there is any komi above .5
ChasLayton [8k\]: yilun by +1
sevrusblck [-\]: w wins
Ripples [2k\]: b
skeptical [3d\]: what is jigo?
Ripples [2k\]: +1
]
;B[pm]C[Jonsuji [5k?\]: even game
]
;W[kl]C[arsenal1 [2d\]: b win?
trantran07 [2k\]: +4
alexanderp [?\]: jigo is a draw
]
;B[mh]
;W[ig]C[kikasare [?\]: close game
]
;B[ls]
;W[ms]
;B[no]C[SnC [2k\]: so after the exchange, Huren lost points
skeptical [3d\]: thx alex
]
;W[am]
;B[ol]C[Jonsuji [5k?\]: game is over
sevrusblck [-\]: w!!
Jonsuji [5k?\]: b wins
USGO2 [-\]: Yilun Yang still had 10 minutes of main time.
fireball [1k\]: ...
USGO2 [-\]: They are counting now.
Jonsuji [5k?\]: by a nose
trantran07 [2k\]: good game, thanks all
icewater [1k\]: either W + .5 or black + .5
rober [?\]: very useful time to count :-)
sevrusblck [-\]: w 2
ericosman [1k\]: how much time left on huiren's clock ?
fireball [1k\]: wish for mr yang!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
jga [3k\]: he was in byo
icewater [1k\]: btw i think huiren is somerville on kgs
redundant [3k\]: he is
redundant [3k\]: also sususu
Sire [2k\]: so close
sevrusblck [-\]: w +2
michi2009 [6d\]: w wins
icewater [1k\]: yes
fireball [1k\]: plz!!
fireball [1k\]: yeah
sevrusblck [-\]: oh.
Aphelion02 [5k\]: cheat at counting!
Aphelion02 [5k\]: pull a mitani!
ericosman [1k\]: score-estimate says w +5
Jonsuji [5k?\]: what is komi here usgo?
sevrusblck [-\]: i think im off
SnC [2k\]: seems w better
SoulShadow [9k\]: komi is 8
icewater [1k\]: 7.5 komi
Jonsuji [5k?\]: then b wins
sevrusblck [-\]: i lost my count somewhere
Jonsuji [5k?\]: +2.5
ethanb [2d?\]: argh, I've got b+1 - what am I missing?
icewater [1k\]: +.5
ericosman [1k\]: maybe you're missing the komi ?
sevrusblck [-\]: hey ethan
ethanb [2d?\]: komi is 8 - ing game
USGO2 [-\]: W+3
fireball [1k\]: nonon!!!!!!!!!!!!!
sevrusblck [-\]: u countin the stones?
ericosman [1k\]: congrads huiren
fireball [1k\]: no!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Jonsuji [5k?\]: really
SnC [2k\]: hah w won
ericosman [1k\]: nice job !
wossname [-\]: miao
sampo00 [5k\]: haha
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